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gibo 26 ( +1 | -1 )
is fritz worth the money? Im looking at getting frtiz probably number 7 because it is the best value for money at 50 australian dollars i was just wandering what do you get with fritz, besides the engine that can anylase games? is there a database of games if so are they annotated?
voigtkampf 37 ( +1 | -1 )
How about Chessmaster 9000? A friend of mine advised me getting that instead of Fritz. Don't get me wrong, Fritz is A-1, but it's better than 9000 only if your a master chess player. 9000 has books, lessons, ah, simply a whole load of stuff Fritz doesn't!
Only my humble opinion...Be sure to gather more of these before you decide...

...see you space cowboy
atrifix 14 ( +1 | -1 )
Fritz comes with some kind of database, I believe, but it's not as complete as the ones you would get with ChessBase. A few are usually annotated--I think.
baseline 48 ( +1 | -1 )
Grandmaster 9000 is a much better value for beginner to intermediate players is has alot more features geared towards teaching you how to play. At its higest level its a very strong program but it has alot of personalities provided that will play more at your level. It also comes with a database of about 500,000 games and it does have a selection of annotated games you can play over or guess the next move. it has several games with audio commentary.
tulkos 4 ( +1 | -1 )
Fritz 7 costs the same a junior 7, AND JUNIOR IS THE BETTER BUY! GO WITH JUNIOR!
hardcorepawn 41 ( +1 | -1 )
CM 9000 is great unless you use windows 2000, then it does some really wierd stuff, is slow, the sound doesnt work properly and I cant get true 3d board either.

Also I can get a much higher rating on CM9000 in wondows 2000 :)

I mainly use CM9000 and Winboard - GNUchess. I rarely lose against GNUChess and if it goes down the Ruy Lopez or petroff lines I can beat it easily.
buddy2 35 ( +1 | -1 )
analysis You can get Fritz 7 to analyze your games, then print them out later (with your own additions if you want). At first you would think a machine would do a lousy job, but it spotted many variations I missed. Chessmaster is a good program, but it's aimed to a mass audience. Fritz, in my humble opinion, is the pro way to go. I have both, the 9000 and Fritz 8.
negro 19 ( +1 | -1 )
I agree with Buddy2 I have the 2 program's and fritz is the best. Chessmaster it's good to learn, using the tuturial's, if you compare the analisys of the same games, fritz give you the best analisys. Soo if you can't by both, by fritz 8.
jean-marc 37 ( +1 | -1 )
GNU Chess... Has anyone tried Gnu chess ? Gives me a run for my money... You can play against it any time for free at the following address:

Does anyone know what the latest version of Gnu is and where/how it can be downloaded ? (I don't want to compile programs, just simply download files.

silverwolfwsc 41 ( +1 | -1 )
CM9K and win2K I am running CM9K on win2k and have no problems. I did have some sound problems before, but it seemed they were resolved by moving my "my documents" folder back onto my local machine rather than on my server.

Now everything works great, but its true that there is no Chessmaster package that is supported on windows 2000. CM8K is only win9x and CM9K is only XP.
batman_255 13 ( +1 | -1 )
CM 9000 I have bought CM 9000. It is the best chess engine there is out there. It offers all the options for a low price. I absolotely love it!!
silverwolfwsc 27 ( +1 | -1 )
jean-marc nice link, but i would never play more than a few moves there, as there is a popup EVERY SINGLE TIME you make a move. and they dont come up in the same window either, they all come up in their own separate windows.

maca 41 ( +1 | -1 )
What should i choose? I'm 1200+ player, and i'm looking to learn some
strategy, tactics, andgames but not basics. I'm
also looking for a good engine for analyzing, so should i buy Fritz 8 or chessmaster 9000?

From these, analyzing is more important, so i might
choose Fritz, but archives of 500 000 games surely
intrest me

Which should i choose?
dyl_ 4 ( +1 | -1 )
Databases aren't a problem. They are easy enough to download off the net.
silverwolfwsc 60 ( +1 | -1 )
maca CM9k will be great for your level. Fritz 8 will also be great, but CM9k has a lot more instruction type features to it. It has a whole classroom section where it teaches you all the way from beginner to advanced, and it also has games with audio annotation by josh waitzkin (i think thats his name).

I have CM9K and Fritz 7, and i use CM9K more. It has analysis that does nearly the same thing for my games as fritz, but its kinda cool cause it will read the annotations to you.

I am only rated about 1300 ish myself, so we are probably about the same level.
gibo 7 ( +1 | -1 )
are you able to do this with fritz. Type a game in and get it to annotate it?
buddy2 7 ( +1 | -1 )
read my post Read my post above. Of course it can analyze, and it does a terrific job!
silverwolfwsc 12 ( +1 | -1 )
Yes They both do analysis, and both do a good job, at least for someone of a lower level. Fritz has more options.
baseline 24 ( +1 | -1 )
Fritz I find the "Blunder Check" analysis especially useful with fritz But you have to remember that tactics is everything to fritz he is willing to take on a long-term positional weakness for a short term dynamic advantage.
peppe_l 95 ( +1 | -1 )
Maca Just an alternative suggestion...

How about buying few good books...?

I dont know about Fritz, but even though CM9000 has some cool options, there is no question one can learn a lot more by investing the same money for books.

Engine for analyzing doesnt explain plans etc and at least CM9000 has major problems in understanding and evaluating certain type of positions. IMO on 1200 level a database of 500.000 games is pretty much useless compared to few dozens of annotated games (quality over quantity!) you can find from a good book.

I suppose CM9000 can be useful, but IMO as a learning tool computer programs are seriously overrated. How much can one really learn from "annotations" like 25.Rc1 -0.45?

CM9000 is a fine prog I guess, but if one believes the advertisements (human-like teacher, human-like opponents, all the material you need to become a strong player...) one will be disappointed (I got it for free so nothing lost here heh).
baseline 69 ( +1 | -1 )
Good point pepp_l but CM9000 has a couple of dozen games annotated by IM Josh Waitzkin and many classical games annotated by GM Larry Evans. Taken with the other tutorial material its well worth the cost of a couple of chess books. I preferr books, most likely because computers were the size of a large room when I was in college and its what I am more accustom to. But now I wonder how I ever got along without ChessBase! :o) I really learned to play chess by playing correspondence chess alot of post cards, blood,sweat, and tears. I also had a very nice coach who I met in a postal match. we keep a couple of games going for several years.
maca 85 ( +1 | -1 )
Peppe_I I have some good books borrowed from library at
my home, other is made by Finnish GM, and other
bases in Jewish grandmasters games
(Lasker, Nimzowitsch and others), telling about
their theories about openings, open lines,
endgames, and lot of else!

The main problem with books here in finland is that
not books made by famous players realyly exist
here. There is lots books made Finnish GM;s and
IM:s. But my father works at library, and he should
know if there would be something like "Amateur's
Mind" in here... of course, i dont know what these
books names would be in here, so i cant be

But with these speaks, i buy Chessmaster 9000!

maca 5 ( +1 | -1 )
Sorry! Sorry! the other book was made by Finnish IM,
clemens 101 ( +1 | -1 )
I think peppe_l has a point. In particular, you can get a great free database at and many, many strong engines to plug into it for free, like for instance Crafty or Yace. I dare say that an amateur player like me will never notice the difference in playing strength between Fritz and Crafty.

Sure, the commercial packages like Fritz 8 and CM9K have many bells and whistles, but if you mainly want to analyze games, why shell out so much money you could invest in books?

to maca: Isn't there some online shop you could order from in Finnland? For instance, I have ordered some English chess books from, and I'm pretty sure there's something like that in Finnland too.
clemens 6 ( +1 | -1 )
Oooh, it's Finland, with only one 'n', in English. I apologize.
peppe_l 102 ( +1 | -1 )
Maca You can buy books online for example from Finnish online chess shop owned by IM Sammalvuo,

Simply fill the order form and the (normal-sized) books will be delivered directly to your mailbox, usually in 2-3 days.

Books written by famous players? Im not sure is IM Silman more "famous" than Finnish GMs and IMs (as a chess player, as an author he is obviously better known). In fact one of the best Finnish books is written by FM Ristoja (Shakin Pikkujättiläinen), basically it has 3 books in one - Basics, Tactics, Strategy, almost 1000 pages. It is hard to find better investment for smth like 25 euros you have to pay for it. But of course, books by Silman and others can be found from Shakkitori as well.

Speaking of libraries, I assume you have tried borrowing chess books from other libraries as well? Since you can get books from any Finnish library in few days, you should have lots of options to choose from.

Hope this helps...

maca 63 ( +1 | -1 )
Peppe_I "Shakin Pikkujättiläinen" is just that one i mean!
it's good with openings and endgames, but i found
strategies especially hard. Shakkitori is a good
place, but i want to buy a chess program to analyze
my old games and to practice. It's easier to
practice opening with program so you can allways
return few moves backwards and check out some
another variation, etc...

I found analyzing games very hard without engine.
with engine, i can first try my own apinion, and then
see what the program says.

But, books are marvellious too!

peppe_l 97 ( +1 | -1 )
Program Is good for spotting tactical mistakes in your games, but it cant teach positional play or planning. So it is useful but has its limitations nevertheless...

If you found Strategy book too hard, I recommend you to go trough the Basics book again - yes I know "basics" sounds something you already know, but much of the stuff in that book are useful even for strong intermediate players! If you still feel Strategy book is too hard, I recommend you to buy a book that teaches basics of strategy in a simpler way. And of course, the best single method of increasing your playing strength is studying the Tactics book...

You mentioned going trough opening my humble opinion it is way too early to start studying specific opening variations. It is beneficial to learn some general opening principles, like "develop all your pieces quickly" etc, but at this stage the short chapter on openings from the Basics book is MORE than you need to know.
chess_champion 44 ( +1 | -1 )
programs i think chessmaster is good for learning and playing for beginner to advanced players... its not the best program when it comes to elo but it wasnt suppost to be meant for that... its a mentor speaking in a matter of sense.
fritz on the other hand is superior in analyzing, winning and rating... it also has many features (not as much as chessmaster) but there is a chess coach. i have both programs (Chessmaster 9000 and Fritz 8) as well as MANY others...